light vs heavy arrows

Discussion in 'General Archery Forum' started by upnorth, May 20, 2008.

  1. upnorth

    upnorth Junior Member

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    i keep hearing about light arrows not being right for big game (at other places ) . just had a customer call that went grizzly hunting . he was a heavy arrow person . not any more . hes shooting a 70 lb gereral with maxima 350s and 100 grain montecs . his arrow is 378 grains . after loosing two griz over the years he finally scored . took a 7 foot bear with a plus 20 inch skull . the bear charged him at 50 yards and pulled up at 30 he took a head on shot hittting the bear at the base of the neck . the arrow went the whole lenght of the bear sticking 18 inches out his butt . whats your thought on arrow weight for big game .
     
  2. BUNNYMAN

    BUNNYMAN I pray for you!

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    A properly tuned hunting rig hitting a proper shot placement is more important than anything else.......
     

  3. Hook Em

    Hook Em Slippy for President

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    18" of arrow sticking out his butt...I bet that was a bit uncomfortable for him. Agree with bunny...shoot in the right spot and heavy or light doesn't really matter very much :noidea:

    Congrats to him on his bear!!
     
  4. dbdcougar

    dbdcougar He Who Drops His Bow Arm

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    No Problem

    I'll hitting the woods for whitetail with 312gr and 59#. {if I don't trash anymore arrows - Make sure you're set up correctly before shooting a 3D course :doh: Oh well, Justin's making me some more!} :noidea: Like they said, it's all about putting it where it needs to be.
     
  5. Paul S.

    Paul S. I do not follow!

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    My hunting arrows weigh about the same as that guys, but I shoot 60lbs and only hunt whitetails. 370gr. is plenty for most big game in North America.
     
  6. MeanV2

    MeanV2 Senior Member

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    Exactly right!!

    I personally prefer arrows in the range of at least 6 to 7 grains per pound draw weight for hunting.

    Dan
     
  7. wyoming4x4

    wyoming4x4 New Member

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    heavy arrow person for hunting

    When hunting the one thing that I don't usually have is the perfect shot. So I believe a heavy arrow will punch through a bone with the proper broadhead. I shoot around a 510g arrow. 69lb marquis 2008 Great shooting bow. It shoots around 255 fps to 250 pretty consistant with this arrow. Axis carbon core full metal jacket 11.3gpi 340. If the arrow is traveling at 250 fps with a 510g arrow or a arrow traveling at 250 fps with a 375g arrow I'll take the heavier arrow for big game Elk, moose, mule deer. Shot a mule deer last yr at about 12 yards and shot through and broke its neck with 510g arrow with a 190 fps bow. The perfect shot never presented itself so I took the neck shot and it worked out great. Any animal with a bow is a trophy, 25 yr bowhunter. Target shooting is another situation and different arrow, Thanks for listening.
     
  8. MeanV2

    MeanV2 Senior Member

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    Personally I wouldn't brag about such Poor shot selection. You'll lose more of those than you win. Arrow weight has little to do with bailing someone out from a Poor Shot :cool:

    I guess if all you are concerned with is killing animals, then fling away:noidea:

    Everybody gets lucky once in a while:biggrin1:

    Dan
     
  9. Dooby

    Dooby Scooby Dooby Doo!

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    I've read a lot on this lately and it seems most people can get shoot throughs on most deer even when they hit shoulder blades. If you think of the energy involved and the extreme sharpness of a broadhead...it doesn't take much to punch through.

    If you want to prove it to yourself...get a shoulder blade from your local butcher (cow is LOTS bigger than deer) and try firing a broadhead through it. You'll be confident that YOUR rig is more than capable. Might sacrifice an arrow, at most, but you'll be certain of your capability.

    Sometimes...one experiment can resolve all the speculation in the world.
     
  10. MeanV2

    MeanV2 Senior Member

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    Don't ever believe you are gonna blow through the thick part of a Deer's shoulder because most of the time you will be sadly disappointed :cool:

    Dan
     
  11. p47dman

    p47dman New Member

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    Arrow weight

    Here is a quick chart of arrow weight, speed and the energy they have.

    arrow grain fps energy
    326 351 89.2
    326 357 92.28
    356 326 84.03
    425 295 82.15
    510 250 70.8

    You will see that shooting a much heavier arrow (510) that you lose over 20 pounds of energy compaired to shooting the lighter setups. The lighter arrow setup has more energy and will penetrate much farther. I see it everyday at the range. The faster arrow will go in past the cresting and the heavier ,slower ones go in about 6 to 8 inches. Try it sometime, find a friend with an 82nd or Xforce and shoot next to him. I'll bet next year you'll shoot the lighter arrows. Good luck and choose your shot careful.
     
  12. MeanV2

    MeanV2 Senior Member

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    Your figures are skewed as they are not representative of a light arrow and a heavy arrow shot out of the same bow.

    I have two 82nds and I can guarantee you that a 500 grain arrow produces more #'s of KE than a 300 grain arrow does shot out of either one. I have my own grain scale, and chrono and it is easy to check.

    I personally prefer a mid weight to lighter arrow because it produces all the energy I need. As in many things there are trade offs in light versus heavy arrows. The key in most instances is finding a happy medium, but there is no denying that a heavy arrow produces more KE than a light arrow shot out of the same bow:cool:

    Dan
     
  13. Ronhop

    Ronhop RIP

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    P47 that's decent info but Dan is right.
    I really depends on the bow and the bow's effeciency, the bow's tuning combined with the shooter's ability to actually shoot th bow in a consistent fashion.
    All of that needs to be part of the solution to the KE issue.

    Also somebody made a comment about shooting into the thick part of a whitetail's shoulder. That is not a no brainer to bag a deer. A lot of times I go for a lung shot since it's more or less a no brainer.

    Some people just go for the gusto and go for a heart shot, who don't shoot their bow until 2 weeks before the season starts and don't shoot any 3D and practice yardage estimating.

    I stink at 3D, but have fun. At the same time I mark off yardage from the base of my stands with a few orange ping pong balls when I hunt. When I take a shot I am 100% confident that deer is going down.

    Ron
     
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  14. upnorth

    upnorth Junior Member

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    the other side of the coin . the same person that took the bear had lost two griz previously . when he came to me he was shooting a 80 lb bow with heavy arrows . the arrows wernt the problem . after i watched him shoot he asked me what i thought . i told him he was way over bowed . he said that he was told that if he wanted to harvest a griz this is what setup he would have to use . i told him that if hes having a hard time shooting targets with it it isnt going to be easier with a 700 pound bear in front of him . took him down to 70 lbs shooting a 370 grain arrow .we worked on his shooting and setup for 6 weeks . he ended up with 2- 70lb bows , and maxima 350 arrows with a 100 grain montecs . since then hes taken 9 animals with 9 shots . a mountain goat . a mountain lion , finished his slam on turkey , a 300 lb hog .some whitetails , and the last was the bear . theres nothing wrong with shooting heavy arrows but out of a well tuned bow arrows around the 350 mark will do the job .i have a 1800lb plus bufallo that agrees with me .that arrow was around 385 because i wanted a big broadhead that cut on contact a 125 satalite titan total pass through at 35 yards and i bent 1 bleeder blade over when it clipped a rib . was dead in less than 15 seconds made number 9 sci book .
     
  15. wolbear

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    I have to agree. I shoot Easton A/C/C from a 60# Drenalin @ 29" draw and have consistant pass thru's on whitetail. I'm sure there would be plenty of penetration on bigger game, providing shot placement was correct.
     
  16. J.Blay

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    I Shoot Carbon ExpressTerminator Lt. Selects with 100 grain tipps that weigh 400 grains at 29". There is no visible differance in the target penetration depths between these and the my CX 300's that come in at 370 grain with the same knocks, fletching and tipps. I shoot them both from a well tuned Hoyt Vectrix at 60# with a 29 1/2" draw. I've had pass throughs on all deer shot with both these shafts. The reason I use the heavier shaft has nothing to do with weight. It's because of equivalent quality standards at a lower cost, and they are easier to refletch without the fancy coating on the CX 300's and Maxima's. I also see no grouping differance out to 50 yards at my skill level. That's my experience.
     
  17. wyoming4x4

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    to mister mean v

    If you knew me you would take back that comment about killing. I do take offense to that comment. I have more respect for animals than most people I know. I know what my bow will do and what it is capable of. Point blank with heavy arrow is a serious weapon to animal. I did not tell the whole story of how this came to be on shooting this animal. I passed on him 3 times before I took this shot. If I was a killer I would shoot the whitetails that run through my yard every night. But you do not know me and maybe we will meet and shake hands and have a good day and shoot some arrows together. Sorry you read me wrong and this happens a lot on these sites.
     
  18. MeanV2

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    No offense intended:cool:

    It does not change the fact that a neck shot is a very poor shot with a bow.

    If it works for you then Kudos to you, but I'll pass:biggrin1:

    Again No offense intended:hug:

    Dan
     
  19. wyoming4x4

    wyoming4x4 New Member

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    thank you

    Its not the prefered shot, but I do shoot quite well, and had the time to aim. I retired the old bow and now shoot marquis and constitution. Have a good day!
     
  20. red44

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    This same debate goes on in traditional archery too. Slow and heavy vs fast and light. Both seem to kill they're share.