This site has the internal red dot that doesn't project out of the site while aiming. This site is BRAND new and has never been mounted. The site works 100% perfectly. I really wanted to mount this site on my Illusion, but I'm having a really hard time taking my Trophy Ridge Matrix off. I'm really wanting to move this site fellas. $45 shipped with delivery confirmation TYD. (within the lower 48 states) PM me with any questions you might have. P.S. the kiddo and the rangefinder have been sold......huh, I mean the rangefinder has been sold!! Thanks for looking at my ad!