What exactly is creep? and can it effect a shot?

Discussion in 'General Archery Forum' started by Southernfryedyankee, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. Liv2Bowhunt

    Liv2Bowhunt Senior Member

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    Are you talking about creeping forward when you are at full draw? if that is what you are talking about, yes, it will affect your shot. If i creep forward when shooting, i usually shoot high. if you are talking about your string stretching, that will do it also, it may send your bow out of tune and definately affect your shooting.
     

  2. Southernfryedyankee

    Southernfryedyankee Senior Member

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    I guess I am talking about creeping forward when at full draw is there a way to remedy that. I notice a few shots into my practice that "creep" is sometimes more noticeable? I dont know much about creep. I thought string stretch was called string stetch.
     
  3. Liv2Bowhunt

    Liv2Bowhunt Senior Member

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    Depends, when you are at full draw, focus on your form and anchor points, that "should" eliminate any creep, as long as your draw length fits you it shouldn't be a problem. sometimes it occours when you have shot too much and are a bit tired. practice, practice, practice, good form is the only remidy unless you are in a situation where you have to shoot from a different position, ie. treestand. bend at the waste, keep those anchor points where they need to be.
     
  4. Chris

    Chris Administrator Staff Member

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    If you are talking about creeping before the shot, yes it can change your point of impact on certain bows. Most two cam bows can be creep tuned but you need to be a really good shot or have access to a hooter shooter. Single cams cannot be creep tuned because you obviously have only one cam.

    That said, I checked the creep tune on my Mathews Apex 7 with a hooter shooter. I shot it from the wall, a 1/4" past the wall and a 1/4" in front of the wall. I'm not sure a human would be able to shoot from these points though. The variance of arrow impact was half the width of an arrow hole at 20 yards. This tells me that the nock travel on the apex 7 has to be very good or nearly perfect. This really impressed me.

    Now if you're using a two cam system, you can do this same test. However, you will be adding or removing twists from one cable to change the rotation of one of the cams. This will mean one cam will be faster or slower than the other. This requires testing to find out what would be the most accurate setting for creep.

    I hope this makes sense. If you are talking about string creep, that is a whole different issue.
     
  5. Southernfryedyankee

    Southernfryedyankee Senior Member

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    can to much draw length cause creep?
     
  6. bfisher

    bfisher Senior Member

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    Draw length being too long is the number one reason for creep. It's hard to stay in the wall when your optimum draw length isd a couple inches shorter. If you are close to your optimum draw length then sometimes it only takes a couple twists of the string to really optimize it.


    Louie,
    There are two terms used commonly when referring to strings. Creep is the permanent elongation that all strings go through. What it means is that when put on the bow and shot the string gets longer due to settling into the cam and the strands "creeping" till they are all doing equal work. Depending on how well the string is made it can elongate as much as an inch or more. Good aftermartket strings only creep about 1/4" or less, usually.

    String stretch refers to the elasticity of the string. That meaning that it egst longer when the stress of shooting is put upon it, but it rebounds to it's original length. Like a rubber band, if you will.

    Most people don't know the proper term or just misuse them, using the term "string stretch" when they really are referring to "creep".

    What happens when strings creep. Most often the draw length gets longer and the draw weight goes up. Axle to axle length gets longer and the brace height gets lower. In simple terms the bow goes out of tune. It's usually a slow process so the shooter isn't aware of it till his bow just isn't shooting as it was when first tuned. This is more conducive to single cam bows because the string is roughly twice as long as the cable. The cable and string both creep, but the string more so.
     
  7. bullspotter

    bullspotter Senior Member

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    a creep is a guy whos not nice to women, yes it will effect your shot as they will not ask for your phone #.......:caked: :noidea:
     
  8. QSA

    QSA One eyed/Gutless wonder

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    Try the push and pull while at full draw. Push with your bow arm and pull with your release hand. It will also stady the bow.